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Subject: The Ultimate Battle for Planet Earth is Spiritual, period...
(Wed., January 13, 2010)
(approx. 5825 words, 11 pp.)
On Understanding The Ultimate Battle for Planet Earth...
Dealing with demons in our own lives, and religiously and ideologically in history
More thoughts on reclaiming planet earth for Christ as a condition of the Creation
This is a writing on so-called "spiritual warfare," and how demons are said to work in our own lives as well as in history, false religions, and even false political ideologies and also even in the Church of all places. (The human condition is one to be pitied, truly? But redeemed and restored by Christ! Praise God!)
There are, in essence, different types of demons, and these are what we are dealing with in our spiritual warfare. C. S. Lewis and the Charismatics are about the only people, who to my knowledge anyway, deal with this subject, at least outside of Scripture. In Scripture, Jesus and Paul and others have a good bit to say on the subject. I do not claim to have a special revelation on this subject. All I know is what Scripture says, what I have personally seen and experienced, and what other serious Christians have written on the subject.
Personal demons and spirits of the age...
Scripture says quite a bit about dealing with "demons," especially in The New Testament and usually in the name of Jesus, but not always, but The New Testament also leaves a lot unsaid, and this is where controversies arise. Still, it is quite clear from Scripture that demons are real spiritual forces that interact in our lives and in history in religion and various political and other ideologies in ways that we do not understand. However, what we do understand and can observe quite clearly is that often in our own lives and in history itself there is a real spirituality at work (actual demons or no actual demons), and, hence, we can personally have spirits of malice or bitterness or revenge etc., and we can in a larger sense observe spirits to nations or to entire ages, and this latter idea of spirit is actually a commonly used term, namely, "the spirit of an age."
In fact, this situation is such a given of human existence that even modern humanists, who do not believe in mind, let alone spirit, will talk about such things as the climate or tenor of the times without realizing they are getting hip deep into spirituality questions, which they claim do not even exist! (Is life crazy, or what?)
More on personal demons and spirits of the age...
How I see this spirits, perhaps "demons," situation is we experience and observe things that are, as it were, personal hang up spirits or "demons" (such as lust, malice, fears, phobias, tormenting thoughts, and so forth) and we observe larger religious and ideological spirits of the age or of cultures, societies, nations, etc. It is the Bible which connects the dots here and says both of these 2 general types of spirits are somehow often connected to literal demons, and I would say in ways that we do not understand (as best I can tell), and will probably never understand.
As a naturalistic philosopher I, personally, can deal with the issue of spirit fairly easily because it is so self-evidently valid both in our own personal lives and in larger historical religious and ideological contexts, but how this connects to personal demons and "powers and principalities in high places" over nations and people groups, I do not know and do not claim to know, and I defer to whatever Scripture says on this matter and assume it is true. Having said this letís look at what would appear to be some very clear examples of what certainly seems to be spiritual deception and bondage (and presumably often "demonic" deception and bondage) both in our personal lives and in larger historical religious and ideological contexts.
Personal hang up demons...and controversies surrounding them...
The Bible says , "Satan goes about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour," and it speaks of people being "oppressed of the Devil," etc. A question and controversy here among theologians is can one be oppressed or afflicted or possessed by some demon without being totally possessed by that demon? Non-charismatics tend to say "no," incorrectly in my view (and certainly very un-Scripturally), and, hence, Frank and Ida Mae Hammond write a book like Pigs in the Parlor about recognizing and dealing with literal demons in oneís life, as a Christian. The non-charismatic Christian tends to respond that demons are not only totally or all-or-nothing in us, but further demons cannot be in the life of a Christian because the Christian has the holy Spirit, and therefore the whole issue is irrelevant to Christians.
This quite common view by non-charismatics is a ridiculous position in my opinion, since the admonitions about dealing with demons in Scripture are largely directed to Christians and followers of Christ. The problem I have with the Hammonds is they seem to me to make the issue a bit too neat or simple in dealing with personal hang up type demons, and they tend to make virtually every spiritual or psychological hang up "demonic".
Still, further, we ourselves are spirit beings...
In fact, we should always remember that we are ourselves spirit beings (in physical bodies) as well as fallen creatures (hence, naturally selfish, un-Godly and so forth). This means (to me anyway) we do not have to have a devil (in us) to act like a devil! Further, it is not clear to me that we always confront demons in our own lives or the lives of others in a direct manner of speaking to them and casting them out (in the name of Jesus) as in a so-called "deliverance ministry," though certainly this can be very Biblical (non-charismatics generally notwithstanding), and presumably very appropriate at times, but the Bible also has other ways of dealing with demons such as flee or "resist" (or you might say do not "entertain" the thoughts of demons as the common expression goes, or even "perish the thought") as well as petitioning God to be delivered as Paul did or as Jesus instructed us to do. Paul himself says, God allowed him to be periodically tormented by a demon, "a messenger from Satan" lest he get too big for his britches. Similarly, the story of Job and Satan is one of the most famous in the Bible, and it also reveals a very complex relationship between God, man, and demons.
Dealing with oneís personal hang up demons...
The New Testament is pretty clear to me anyway that anyone (and certainly Christians) can be afflicted by the devil whether in revengeful fantasies, lustful fantasies, or even haunted or plagued by guilt and old memories or by doubt, depression, discouragement, etc., and these can even develop so-called "strongholds" in our lives or psyche. And these are to be dealt with in a Scriptural manner. Further, the Bible even speaks of "familiar spirits" where presumably we do and have entertained demonic thoughts on numerous occasions in the past and are quite "familiar" with them!
The truth is the Bible teaches in a larger sense that one can, in the Lord, by the power of the Spirit, get victory over things in oneís life whether one always identifies them explicitly with demons or not, and whether one casts them out directly or not. One can have figurative demons presumably (as, say, psychological states), and one can even give oneís self a good talking to (as the expression goes), in the name of Jesus!
But further and more importantly, actually Christians are, of course, said to have the holy Spirit in them which gives us a sense of conviction and lost fellowship when we get off track by demons or the fallen nature, and it is the holy Spirit Who gives us the ability and even desire (I would say) to grow in grace and knowledge of the Lord as Peter admonishes us to do. So, there are many things potentially going on in the life of a Christian, even simultaneously as times.
There are complexities in the realm of the spirit...
My point is there are clearly a lot of things going on in the realm of the spirit, demons or no demons, and casting out in the name of Jesus or not casting out. Still, further, the-casting-out Hammonds, who had done hundreds of casting out "deliverance" sessions with people, said they had never done even one session on a non-Christian, and as best I could tell few if any on non-willing participants, though they may attempt in the name of Jesus to "bind" the demons that are clearly destroying peopleís lives in order to have them have or seek a complete deliverance.
The point here is there is clearly a spiritual dimension to our lives and according to Scripture it involves both demons and the holy Spirit as well as our personal growth in grace and knowledge of the Lord as spiritual beings ourselves. And to top it all off there are all kinds of complexities as well as (theological) controversies that emerge in this mix, understandably. However, the one big issue with demons (beyond personal un-Godly and irrational fears, phobias, hang ups, disturbing thoughts, etc.) is that demons are said to be able to blind us mere mortals to the obvious truth and desirability of the new spiritual life in Christ Gospel message.
And, further in my personal philosophical opinion (doing the pretty clear math here) it is these blinding and deceiving demons (to the truth, spiritual reality and desirability of the Gospel) which connect personal hang up demons to larger historical spirit of the age demons and false religious and ideological demons. Why? Because the best way to understand almost anything is usually clear case examples, and from there one can usually deal with problematic cases.
Clear case example: On defining "Reason" in "an age of Reason"
As with personal hang ups and how to connect these with actual demons, who knows, but so also with very clear spirits of ages, where whole societies appear to be on the same wavelength, as it were, but how or why we do not know. And, hence, how such spirits of an age may connect to demons we do not know. Regardless, sometimes a spirit of an age or society is overtly religious or ideological, and sometimes it is not.
For example, the 18th century "Enlightenment" was and is known as the Age of Reason (and even of Revolution). This was not necessarily a belief system but a spirit of the age. BUT "Reason" for the Americans meant largely the compatibility of the Natural and Special Revelations, and it meant a revolution so founded on that notion of "Reason," while "Reason" for the French meant largely no Special Revelation of the Bible as valid and a revolution based primarily on dethroning a king and the Roman Catholic Church and on ill-conceived humanistic notions of liberty, equality, and fraternity.
Hence, in the 18th century we see two radically even opposite manifestations of what is (and probably correctly but complicatedly) called "The Age of Reason." Still, as a fact not often commented upon, it was underlying spirits that actually drove the two actually radically different revolutions and notions of "Reason" in France and America, a fact which is somewhat frequently commented upon.
World War II, an extremely clear case underlying spiritual reality, as such
But if you really want to see how spirits (presumably of demons) drive nations, wars, and revolutions, there may not be a clearer example in all history than the relatively recent World War II. Both Imperial Japan and Nazis Germany were based on way out and faulty religions and spiritualities more than simply on faulty political ideologies, as we usually think of the situation, which can also be demonic. Japan had a Shinto religion that supposedly destined Japan to rule the world, and the nutty spiritual truths of the Nazis was based on Eastern occultism (I would recommend the video "The Occult History of the Third Reich" for those who are interested in this topic).
The mythical ancient Aryans as defined by the Nazis (the heart of their belief system) apparently never even really existed in the first place! Let alone were the modern Nazis these supposed mythical peopleís descendants. Mix faulty Eastern occultic mysticism with superman Nietzsche and extreme Darwinism, and you get a pretty way out religion, to say the least, in substance (that is, "truths") and definitely in spirit. And this spirituality comes to consume an entire people with an actual state of spiritual being and spirit of the culture with an actual spelled out religious substantive ideology to wage war on virtually the whole world. Both in Japan and Germany in World war II there is a nutty, irrational, un-Godly spirituality wavelength (of some sort?) with accompanying actual philosophical worldview content in political ideologies and religions, as such, no less.
Communism as a faulty political ideology and de facto "religion"
Communism with its revolutions continuing to this day is also a nutty, irrational, un-Godly spirituality (or "wavelength" or heart condition, as it were) with actual philosophical worldview content as a political ideology (namely, "Marxism") but, by contrast to the World War II ideologies, it is not claiming to be a "religion," as such, but it certainly is de facto so. So, when the Bible says Satan deceives nations with faulty and nutty and irrational and un-Godly ideologies, which are religions in effect if not outrightly so, apparently Scripture this means literally. In fact these faulty and nutty and irrational and un-Godly ideologies and in effect religions are what the Bible calls "doctrines of demons" every bit as much as outright faulty religions, as such are (as Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.) which are often not even claiming to be "political" or "ideological" at all, but merely religious.
But, in fact, demons or no demons there is a clear complex relationship between spirituality, religion, and political ideologies which can eventually take over entire cultures, societies, groups of people, and even nations. And further these myriad of faulty spiritualities and religions and resulting specific faulty political ideologies are a result of the fact that people are individually blinded (en masse) to the spirituality and religious truth of the Gospel in the underlying spiritual first place in order to wind up with a resultant nutty, irrational and un-Godly political ideology of Imperial Japan, Nazis Germany or Communist Russia in the second place.
Bottom-line here: Because it is so recent and because it involved so much human effort of actual physical fighting it is often hard for us to think of World War II as primarily a spiritual (or "religious") reality but it was and even overtly so. And, so also was Communism a spiritual reality or religion in the broad sense of the word but not really overtly claiming to be so, but, in truth, even some atheists do concede the fact that their atheism is a de facto religion, hence making the very same point, for good or ill.
America and its underlying Bible Christianity spiritual base
Similarly, John Wesley looked at the spirituality (in essence) of the pre French Revolution political rhetoric and predicted a blood bath as did numerous others and not the political utopia the humanist revolutionaries claimed would occur. There seems to be a clear underlying spirituality that determines oneís susceptibility to faulty political theory and rhetoric. As is often said in Methodist circles, the Marxist revolution was not able to take hold in 19th century Great Britain because of the Christian Wesleyan revival (of countless individuals) in the 18th century. The Marxist rhetoric fell on deaf ears, and the Marxist class antagonism and resentment found no place let alone home in born again Methodist hearts.
Similarly, in point of fact the American political revolution was based in large part on the political writings ("ideology") of John Locke, as is well known, and Locke was a devout and committed evangelical Christian, who, in essence, merely spelled out the political and educational implications of Bible Christianity, a well-known fact lost to most political histories, sadly. The political "ideology" of the American revolution was created out of the underlying Bible Christianity and hence spirituality of Locke and others, every bit as much as the faulty Nazis political ideology was created by and out of a faulty Eastern mysticism and will-to-power spirit of Nietzsche.
Faulty religions and ideologies are irrational, un-Godly or unholy, and undesirable
The bottom-line here is that people appear to be blinded in the realm of the spirit (by "demons") to the "religious" truth, rationality, and desirability of the Gospel, and from this follows truly stupid, irrational and undesirable political ideas and ideologies that seem brilliant, rational and desirable to the mass of a society and that subject them to mass exploitation by corrupt political leaders espousing their nutty, irrational, un-Godly and actually undesirable "ideology".
And if you add to this personally corrupt politicians with a lust for power, who will tell virtually any overt lie even outright whopper to get elected, then you have the makings of a complete political disaster for a nation. In any case, we saw a clear underlying spirituality with a resultant very undesirable political ideology most clearly in bold letters in the extreme cases of Russia in 1917 (and in subsequent Communist revolutions with a spirit of atheism) and in Japan and Germany in World War II with their distinct nutty "religions" and resultant nutty political ideologies, and we still see today this fascinating mix of false spirituality and faulty political ideology in Islamic states in our own time.
By contrast, the Gospel is rational, Godly or holy, and desirable
The Gospel and indeed the entire Christian cosmology is rational, Godly, and desirable, but false spiritualities, religions, ideologies that are de facto religions, and humanist worldviews and cosmologies tend to be irrational, un-Godly or unholy, and undesirable but the person caught up in faulty thinking and spirituality cannot see any of this or does not care if what he or she is doing or giving himself or herself to is rational, holy, or good. (You will note here a classic philosophical and actual Trinity of Son or Logos as the rational, holy of the Spirit, and the Father as the Good, itself.)
The significance of this is off the charts because it would seem that all false religions, ideologies, worldviews, spiritualities, etc. will, presumably, collapse or implode with the removal of demonic deception because they tend to be so irrational or un-holy or undesirable and often even all three. Today, as for centuries, people frequently believe utter nonsense, or convoluted mishmash, or complete moral depravity and find it to be brilliant, insightful or profound, etc. Clearly when this happens something is going on in the realm of the spirit, demons or no demons, but the Bible says it is often largely "demons" and in fact that does make the whole nutty, crazy thing make sense in a way nothing else can.
False Christianity and Judaism, the ultimate demonic can of worms
The most interesting demonic spiritual corruption and deception is not in politics nor in overtly false religions (as Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.) but in Christianity and Judaism. Again, I have no special revelation here, nothing beyond the very clear teachings of Jesus, Paul, and subsequent Christian writers in history, the best in recent times being C. S. Lewis in my opinion.
The point here is not resultant faulty political ideologies from faulty underlying spiritualities, nor is it overtly faulty spiritualities, that is, faulty religions, themselves. From a New Testament perspective overtly faulty religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.,) as well as faulty ideological (political) -isms tend to be demonic (and, again, irrational or un-holy or undesirable, and often all three). But what of the 3 types of corruption that can infect the Church and Judaism? Are they merely of the fallen nature or are they also demonic? And what does Scripture say?
As individuals can have demonic strongholds so also can the Church?
The ultimate demonic issue on a personal hang up level is being blinded to the truth and desirability of the Gospel. And after that Satan is mainly interested in ruining oneís spiritual growth in the Lord, to make a shipwreck of oneís faith (with various destructive fears, phobias, anxieties, temptations, lusts, and so forth). Similarly for the larger spirits of an age or nation Satan's main goal is outright false religions, but when this fails and people see the truth and desirability of the Christian faith, Satanís goal then becomes to corrupt the Church internally with false teachings (just as he did to Old Testament Judaism over the centuries).
These false teachings in the Church are deceptions (as false religions more generally) that are also irrational, un-Godly, and undesirable, but you think, when caught up in them, that they are brilliant, rational, Godly, and desirable, and one then thinks with oneís new version of the faith that one is actually fixing the faith and not corrupting it! (Good grief!) The bottom-line here is the only hope for mankind on earth is deliverance from false religions, which are overtly demonic, and then from demonic corruption within the Church, simple enough.
It seems the 3 main corruptions of the Church are predominately demonic
This means the 3 main corruptions of the Church 1.) the Sadducees (Liberalism, no literal Gospel and Bible cosmology), 2.) the Pharisees (irrelevant manmade rules and regulations) and 3.) the Herodians (worldly power) are according to Scripture and C. S. Lewis predominately (if not always) demonically inspired and motivated. As hard as this may be to deal with in the Church, I think we may have to grow up and face the music and try to set things straight in spirit and truth within the Body of Christ.
But, to be clear, there will probably always be differences of Biblical interpretation but on Scripture as the basis for the Christian faith and on the basic truths of the text and on the Gospel, there can be no compromise? Or, if so, one is leaving the faith in spirit and truth, and even if you think you are fixing it, you are not, demons or no demons, but Lewis, Jesus, and Paul say it is demons, primarily anyway (see below). This means Christians individually can have demons, and churches can have demons. (What a mess?) Not pretty but true. This is not my thesis, and again I have no special revelation here. I will stick with Jesus, Paul, and Lewis. If you have problems with this, take it up with them!
If you have problems with this, take it up with Jesus and Paul, not me!
It was Jesus, quoting Isaiah and others, who said the Judaism of his day (especially among the leadership) had thrown out the truth of God and substituted the faulty and generally irrelevant teachings of men. This is a virtual definition of Pharisee-ism, and this did not sit well with the Jewish authorities and they conspired to kill him. So, clearly this was no small or side issue. Further, Jesus said these false religious leaders were "of their father the devil" and that there was no truth in them; hence, they were demonically off track in spirit and truth, big time. Further, Paul says when faulty teachings come into the Church, no less, (abstaining from certain foods, forbidding sex, and so forth), these are "doctrines of devils." Pretty clear here, I would say, and I think he means this literally.
The corruption of the Herodians is so self-evidently wrong that it gets very little theological treatment except in "the selling of oneís soul" (implicitly or explicitly) for some gain or other. This is definitionally demonic no less. But the demonic corruption of the Sadducees (or theological Liberals) is perhaps more controversial, and in my reading and research on this, C. S. Lewis has emerged as the best on this. The Liberal has "another Jesus" and "another Gospel" (often overtly so, no less), and Paul implies this is demonic, but it is really C. S. Lewis who gets into the demonic details and deception of theological Liberalism most clearly.
The Sadducees, the Church of England and Lewis
I understand fully that Lewis is not holy writ, but it is my personal opinion that he hits the nail pretty squarely on the head on this matter. Lewis argues in The Screwtape Letters (which is about actual demonic activity in our lives) and elsewhere that things like so-called "higher criticism" and the search for the supposedly real "historical Jesus" outside of Scripture (virtual definitions of Christian Liberalism) are of the Devil, or, that is, are of "demons," specifically. But for our purposes here this is just the beginning of the matter and just the beginning of the complications of the matter.
Lewis is in the Church of England. He is happy in the Church of England, and he was not (to my knowledge) thinking about leaving, although he sees common teachings perhaps in many cases the prevalent teachings of his Church to be overtly demonic deceptions in spirit and truth. And he even admonishes his readers at one point not to let all the false, demon-filled teachers in the Church of England mess them up, but rather he says to his readers, you stay true to the Bible faith regardless.
Lewis, as best I can tell, does not have a ministry to fix this total mess, but he also is not going to deny what he sees to be the clear case, and what he sees to be true spiritual dangers for the average person in the Church of England, which one must say if one does the math, is for Lewis at times something of a house of Satan. Lewis certainly does not use that terminology, but in some ways, in my opinion, he comes close, but more than that he seems to me anyway to see the whole situation to be just part of fallen manís condition on earth in whatever church one is in. I personally would label him "philosophical" (in the larger sense of the word) about the whole thing. (To top this off and consistent to our above analysis, Lewis even sees ridiculous, foolish or outrageous laws in the British Parliament, no less, to be demonically inspired!)
The practical nuts and bolts of this demonic thing in the Church
I must say, I personally am not so non-bothered by the matter myself, but the issue for us here is Lewis clearly sees demonic activity in the Church of England (and elsewhere) wreaking havoc in an outright Christian Liberalism (of no literal Gospel, etc.). Just to get practical about this, if I knew that my pastor was a flaming and committed Liberal, I personally could not handle it, and it is not clear to me that he should even be ordained in a Bible denomination, but Lewis seems to say, "Just hang in there and donít let your pastor mess you up!" I am not that loose, personally! But in fairness to Lewis, the practical nuts and bolts of this can be very complicated.
Just as a Christian can have a personal hang up demon, and still be a Christian, so too presumably one can have doubts about the Christian Bible faith (demonically inspired or not) and still be a Christian, and one certainly does not want to label every debate or controversy "demonic." Still, at some point there has to be a standard, presumably, set for what basics one must hold to in order to teach, or be a pastor, etc. This was historically the role of the Apostlesí Creed. And, in my opinion, one standard for the Christian would have to be the Bible as the foundation of the Christian faith and Church. And this was, of course, one of the key issues of the Reformation, tragically.
The Reformation, Vatican II and a possible Vatican III
Vatican II was, in my opinion, a noble effort that failed to "update" (a euphemism if ever there was one) Roman Catholic doctrine and to set right "four centuries of confusion, distrust and antagonism" between Christians. If I am not mistaken, traditionally prior to Vatican II, the Catholic Church held if one was a Roman Catholic, one was a Christian, and if one was not a Roman Catholic, one was not a Christian. This is long gone, and even virtually denounced outright, by Vatican II. Other Christians are no longer condemned heretics but "separated brethren". It takes true courage to admit that you have been wrong, very wrong for centuries and to admit, in essence, the Roman Catholic Church is not infallible.
Still, the Vatican II documents are to my reading pretty clear. There were basically 3 groups of folks in the Roman Catholic Church, in good standing, at the time of Vatican II. There were those who liked things as they were, those who thought Vatican II changes went far enough, and those who thought the changes did not go far enough. I personally am not "anti-Catholic." I would put myself, quite simply, within the third group. Vatican II truly and seriously started the process of correcting previous Catholic errors going back over many centuries, but the real question now is where to go from here in re-defining Roman Catholicism once this massive, crucial door has been opened. And, hence, the issue is when to go with, say, a more Bible-based Vatican III? Now? In a generation? In 5 generations? In 10 generations?
I do not wish at all to sound dismissive of Vatican II
I do not wish at all to sound dismissive of Vatican II as some Bible Christians do. It truly tried to make corrections without falling into the black hole of Protestant Liberalism (essentially what Catholics tend to call "modernism"). I am not sure they succeeded at this, but they certainly knew what they were doing or trying to do, and trying to avoid as well. Also Vatican II wanted to respect other religions without going ecumenical with other religions and not just other Christians. I do not think they succeeded at this very difficult task, but they made a decent shot at it, but failed in my opinion.
In my view, Vatican II fell into what I call "Mertonís Mistake" after the great Roman Catholic monk Thomas Merton, and I have much sympathy for this particular demonic deception because I was up to my eyeballs in it myself for some number of years, after having attended a Methodist seminary that hardly believed a word of the Gospel, as best I could tell. Further, Vatican II wanted to re-assert Scripture teaching and reading and so forth, but they did not do that enough, and it would have opened yet another can of worms of extra-Biblical (Pharisaical) Catholic teachings generally, demonically inspired or otherwise (Mariology, superfluous priesthood, celibate priesthood, etc., etc.), and they definitely were not ready to go there either.
However Vatican II was, in my opinion, massively important...
Apart from particular possible Roman Catholic errors, the very idea that oneís tradition is equal to Scripture is itself of the Devil or "demons" (in my opinion), and this is our subject here, and this was the main issue and de facto concession of Vatican II in its "updating" of Roman Catholicism (again what a euphemism) because Vatican IIís "updating" is (in my opinion) pretty much a de facto throwing out of Roman Catholic infallibility and tradition equal to Scripture, without so stating it. So, in essence, Vatican IIís concession opens the door to any possible Biblical "updating" in the future as now consistent with historical Catholicism. The importance of this cannot be overstated in my opinion. This means Vatican II clearly opened the door to a possible new Kingdom Christianity Catholicism in the future. No small matter clearly!
All churches are in big trouble these days...
In any case, all churches are in big trouble these days... There are, of course, Bible Christians in the Roman Catholic Church, but this does not make Roman Catholicism officially a Bible-based religion. In fact, Roman Catholicism is not claiming to be a Bible-based religion nor is it seeking to be at this time. It still is and has been (Vatican II notwithstanding) very Pharisaical for centuries.
Similarly, as C. S. Lewis argues, I think correctly, there are still Bible Christians in the Church of England, and I think he would add the mainline Protestant denominations generally, but that does not mean that probably most of the mainline Protestant denominations have not succumbed to a demonically-inspired, no-literal-truth of the Gospel Liberalism. As best I can tell none of the big shots in these churches are talking of getting back to a Bible faith. They tend to be a bunch of Sadducees, and they frequently and openly attack Bible Christians, no less (as, say, Carter and Danforth do).
As far as the Herodians go, black-liberation-theology Wright and community-organizer Obama have pretty much come to define the black church, and if it is possible to get more demonically-inspired Herodian than black liberation theology (racial Marxism), I would not know how? But, similarly, in my view, there are still Bible Christians in the black church as well, just as there are in the other off-track main church groups.
Bottom-line: Weíre taking these guys "down"... way down...
The only hope for the world to be delivered from the powers of darkness is the Christian faith; all other religions are false spiritualities and deceptions! Jee-sus is our only hope! And probably the only hope for the Christian faith or Church is to get the apparently demonically-inspired 3 leavens out, for good! In the name of Jesus, get packing! You guys are going "down"! Way down! To the pit!
The Bible Christians remaining in these 3 main Church groups along with various other smaller sectarian and non-denominational groups are, in my view, a classic Biblical "remnant," undeceived and true to the end, indeed true to "the end," and this remnant will lead the larger Body of Christ back to the Truth, and the Way, and of course the Life of new spiritual life in Christ. And from there the reconstituted Church can lead the whole planet into a new spiritual life in Christ as a condition of the Creation... Piece of cake.
And, of course, this spirituality will have its accompanying rational, Godly, and desirable political theory if not so-called "ideology," just as the American Revolution did; indeed, I would assume, essentially, the same one. In fact, the American Revolution was generally seen as the worldwide model for all subsequent political revolutions after 1776 for well over 100 years, until it was slowly displaced usually by some form of irrational, un-Godly or undesirable demonic deception and virtual nonsense such as Marxism, liberation theology, black liberation theology, etc. And, so here we are... As up-to-date as the morning headlines... Is the Bible relevant, or what? It is, as they say, the Gospel truth, is it not? And, ultimately, it will be the political and cultural truth as well, if and when we are so delivered to the Gospel as rational, holy, and desirable, and indeed to the entire Christian cosmology as true and rational...